Difference between Reduce and Absorbtion Damage ? - Guild Wars Forums

XTREM1337 · Apr 10, 2006, 04:17 PM // 16:17

What the difference between Reduce and Absorbtion Damage ?

Is it the same thing ? Does Reduce Damage is overall and absobtion is only versus somekind of attack ?

I'm confuse

SnoopJeDi · Apr 10, 2006, 04:28 PM // 16:28

Absorption is only vs. physical damage, according to GuildWiki.

Savio · Apr 10, 2006, 05:03 PM // 17:03

Well then, Guildwiki's wrong because Absorption runes reduce damage from any attack, regardless of its damage type. For Absorption, an attack is either damage from an equipped weapon or from a skill classified as an attack, such as Eviscerate. (Ew. That whole article is so wrong. Off to change it.)

"Reduces damage from attacks. (Non-stacking)", from Ascalon or Knight's armor, is a global -2 damage. Although its description also says attacks, it actually works against most sources of damage, including spells. There are a few skills which it doesn't reduce damage from, like Giant Stomp.

"Received damage -x" from shields works against all damage, even the ones that Ascalon/Knight's won't reduce damage from.

swiftygem · Apr 16, 2006, 08:45 AM // 08:45

Let's say we have two warriors, both pretty much identical. But one spent 60k on a superior absorbtion rune. So the advantage of that is that the other guy gets e.g. 50 damage, whereas the guy with the rune gets "only" 47?

leeky baby · Apr 16, 2006, 08:51 AM // 08:51

yup

swiftygem · Apr 16, 2006, 08:54 AM // 08:54

Bloody hell, is it really worth that much money then?

Poison Ivy · Apr 16, 2006, 09:11 AM // 09:11

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Originally Posted by swiftygem

Bloody hell, is it really worth that much money then?

Depends on how much money you have.

But personally, Major Absorbtion works fine.

So no, not worth it.

Don Zardeone · Apr 16, 2006, 05:47 PM // 17:47

It's all situational.
If you get hit 100 times for 3 damage, then with a major absorb, you'll have taken 100 damage.
With a superior, you'll have taken 0 damage.

If you get hit 100 times for 20 damage
Major takes 1800 damage
Superiour takes 1700 damage...

100 damage is like 1 healing sig. You win 2 seconds worth of attacking.

Not much but it still is a difference.

This difference can sometimes mean survival or biting the dust.

strcpy · Apr 16, 2006, 09:17 PM // 21:17

I would also add that the case of taking 1-3 damage from a large number of mobs is common in many farming locations, so for solo farmers it helps quite a bit. I could tell a difference when I finally got mine.

The second example, hit 100 times for 20 damage, is more common if playing in groups clearing maps. I wouldn't bother.

For PvP it's an unlock and fairly cheap, it may one day make a difference.

Evilsod · Apr 16, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

Imo only get a Superior Vigour/Absorption if you have the money.

If you intend to use your char to do the droks run or somet, get the Sups as quick as you can, it WILL mean the difference between life and death at some point. Just like spending that extra bit of gold on a decent shield. Even if its just gonna be the collectors +45/-2 in stance. Hell i have 1.3mil and i can't be arsed to buy Sup Vigours for my last 2 characters because they cost alot more than when i got em for the others, maybe im just cheap though

LittleBull · Apr 17, 2006, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by swiftygem

Bloody hell, is it really worth that much money then?

I think that's supposed to be on of the features of Guild Wars....
you can't grind and/or buy your way into being good. Even the
best equipment is only slightly better than anything else. If you
want to get good, you have to learn to play. It least I hope so,
because I'm poor as dirt and have little chance to get rich.

SnoopJeDi · Apr 17, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

It's really worth it in PvP, especially given that it's not a whole lot of work to unlock it via faction.

Y.T. · Apr 17, 2006, 04:39 PM // 16:39

so absorbtion works against elemental damage as well?

Mandy Memory · Apr 17, 2006, 04:51 PM // 16:51

as long as the elemental damage comes from an attack and not a spell

Y.T. · Apr 17, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45

so absorbtion'll work if smbdy hits me with ids or air wand, but not in case of kindle arrow or immolate or meteor? and what about chaos damage - is it elem or its just a diff class of damage...

Zui · Apr 17, 2006, 07:30 PM // 19:30

Kindle arrows is a preparation, meteor is a spell.

With preparations, you must attack or use an attack skill to reap the benefit, however I'm not sure if absorbtion applies to + damage, I'll have to test that out later.

Evilsod · Apr 17, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

I don't believe that Absorption is only physical/attacks. The way i see it armour/runes is everything that armour effects. Reduced from shields is everything, armour ignoring or not.

Also when your talking about +xx damage on attack skills i think it adds that damage onto whatever your base damage is. So if from absorption/shield your target ends up doing 0, but infact its -4 (less than 0, not 4 damage) it adds the +xx onto that, so it looks like it effects the +xx damage. Least thats how i think it works, works for me anyway...

Mandy Memory · Apr 18, 2006, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

I don't believe that Absorption is only physical/attacks. The way i see it armour/runes is everything that armour effects. Reduced from shields is everything, armour ignoring or not.

Also when your talking about +xx damage on attack skills i think it adds that damage onto whatever your base damage is. So if from absorption/shield your target ends up doing 0, but infact its -4 (less than 0, not 4 damage) it adds the +xx onto that, so it looks like it effects the +xx damage. Least thats how i think it works, works for me anyway...

Believe what you want. That doesnt make it true.

Absorption is only attacks.

Also the damage is calculated before absorption is applied, because it is applied last. Therefore you could:
1. get hit with an axe attack that would do 20 damage.
2. it hits your armor and is reduced down to 0 (Big jump...but w/e...maybe you have 500 armor or whatever)
3. the +42 from eviscerate is applied.
4. absorption is applied to the 42 damage you would be taking.

nightrunner · Apr 18, 2006, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by swiftygem

Bloody hell, is it really worth that much money then?

No, I doubt it will make a huge difference. However, perfect items are always worth tons, look at the difference between a +29 hp mod and a +30 one. Only 1 hp, but I'd bet the price difference would be something like 15k, not worth it IMO. However, people buy max equipment because first, it's a nice feeling to know you have the best equipment possible

. Also, if you're planning to take your PvE char into PvP, it's sort of a requirement to have max everything. I don't think the extra 9 HP from my Major Vigor to the Superior was worth the 30k, but I paid anyway =P

Zui · Apr 18, 2006, 05:33 AM // 05:33

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Originally Posted by nightrunner

I don't think the extra 9 HP from my Major Vigor to the Superior was worth the 30k, but I paid anyway =P

1 degen = 2 health per second. Bleeding = 3 degen. 9 more hp = 3 more seconds you can survive with bleeding on you, with no heals.

Not to mention it becomes even more valuable versus a spike team, the higher HP the better.

Note regarding first post: Absorbtion is applied to + damage.

Apr 10, 2006, 04:17 PM // 16:17	#1
XTREM1337 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montreal Guild: XTRM Profession: N/Mo	Difference between Reduce and Absorbtion Damage ? What the difference between Reduce and Absorbtion Damage ? Is it the same thing ? Does Reduce Damage is overall and absobtion is only versus somekind of attack ? I'm confuse

Apr 10, 2006, 05:03 PM // 17:03	#3
Savio Teenager with attitude Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	Well then, Guildwiki's wrong because Absorption runes reduce damage from any attack, regardless of its damage type. For Absorption, an attack is either damage from an equipped weapon or from a skill classified as an attack, such as Eviscerate. (Ew. That whole article is so wrong. Off to change it.) "Reduces damage from attacks. (Non-stacking)", from Ascalon or Knight's armor, is a global -2 damage. Although its description also says attacks, it actually works against most sources of damage, including spells. There are a few skills which it doesn't reduce damage from, like Giant Stomp. "Received damage -x" from shields works against all damage, even the ones that Ascalon/Knight's won't reduce damage from. __________________ People are stupid.

Apr 17, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37	#17
Evilsod Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: England Guild: Lievs Death Squad [LDS]	I don't believe that Absorption is only physical/attacks. The way i see it armour/runes is everything that armour effects. Reduced from shields is everything, armour ignoring or not. Also when your talking about +xx damage on attack skills i think it adds that damage onto whatever your base damage is. So if from absorption/shield your target ends up doing 0, but infact its -4 (less than 0, not 4 damage) it adds the +xx onto that, so it looks like it effects the +xx damage. Least thats how i think it works, works for me anyway... Last edited by Evilsod; Apr 17, 2006 at 07:39 PM // 19:39..

Apr 10, 2006, 04:28 PM // 16:28	#2
SnoopJeDi Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Saved By My Pinchers of Peril Profession: R/N	Absorption is only vs. physical damage, according to GuildWiki.

Apr 16, 2006, 08:45 AM // 08:45	#4
swiftygem Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2005	Let's say we have two warriors, both pretty much identical. But one spent 60k on a superior absorbtion rune. So the advantage of that is that the other guy gets e.g. 50 damage, whereas the guy with the rune gets "only" 47?

Apr 16, 2006, 08:51 AM // 08:51	#5
leeky baby Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Surrey University Guild: Starting to play again... need a guild Profession: W/E	yup

Apr 16, 2006, 08:54 AM // 08:54	#6
swiftygem Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2005	Bloody hell, is it really worth that much money then?

Apr 16, 2006, 05:47 PM // 17:47	#8
Don Zardeone Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	It's all situational. If you get hit 100 times for 3 damage, then with a major absorb, you'll have taken 100 damage. With a superior, you'll have taken 0 damage. If you get hit 100 times for 20 damage Major takes 1800 damage Superiour takes 1700 damage... 100 damage is like 1 healing sig. You win 2 seconds worth of attacking. Not much but it still is a difference. This difference can sometimes mean survival or biting the dust.

Apr 16, 2006, 09:17 PM // 21:17	#9
strcpy Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: One of Many [ONE]	I would also add that the case of taking 1-3 damage from a large number of mobs is common in many farming locations, so for solo farmers it helps quite a bit. I could tell a difference when I finally got mine. The second example, hit 100 times for 20 damage, is more common if playing in groups clearing maps. I wouldn't bother. For PvP it's an unlock and fairly cheap, it may one day make a difference.

Apr 16, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18	#10
Evilsod Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: England Guild: Lievs Death Squad [LDS]	Imo only get a Superior Vigour/Absorption if you have the money. If you intend to use your char to do the droks run or somet, get the Sups as quick as you can, it WILL mean the difference between life and death at some point. Just like spending that extra bit of gold on a decent shield. Even if its just gonna be the collectors +45/-2 in stance. Hell i have 1.3mil and i can't be arsed to buy Sup Vigours for my last 2 characters because they cost alot more than when i got em for the others, maybe im just cheap though

Apr 17, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13	#12
SnoopJeDi Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Saved By My Pinchers of Peril Profession: R/N	It's really worth it in PvP, especially given that it's not a whole lot of work to unlock it via faction.

Apr 17, 2006, 04:39 PM // 16:39	#13
Y.T. Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: Mo/	so absorbtion works against elemental damage as well?

Apr 17, 2006, 04:51 PM // 16:51	#14
Mandy Memory Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Guild: Xen of Sigils [XoO] Profession: W/	as long as the elemental damage comes from an attack and not a spell

Apr 17, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45	#15
Y.T. Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: Mo/	so absorbtion'll work if smbdy hits me with ids or air wand, but not in case of kindle arrow or immolate or meteor? and what about chaos damage - is it elem or its just a diff class of damage...

Apr 17, 2006, 07:30 PM // 19:30	#16
Zui Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO] Profession: Mo/	Kindle arrows is a preparation, meteor is a spell. With preparations, you must attack or use an attack skill to reap the benefit, however I'm not sure if absorbtion applies to + damage, I'll have to test that out later.